Beiträge von synergy

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hello Hanna!


    If this summer I’m in Chisinau, I’ll try to scan 2 volumes of a reference book on prisoners and those who died in the battles in Bessarabia 1944.
    Results can be downloaded in PDF. I do not promise with a 100% guarantee, but I will try.
    This is data from the archives of the Republic of Moldova.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Good day, Hanna!


    Today I talked to the archive on your grandfather.
    In the coming days, fill out all the forms for him and send a request. But the matter is complicated by the fact that some of the data on prisoners of war may be located in Ukraine. It was there that he was in the camp in 1944-1947. If there is no personal file for your grandfather in Moscow, then it will be necessary to write to Kiev.
    In addition, the response to the request lasts for 3 months.


    That's all I can tell you. In the lists of prisoners in Chisinau, your grandfather as a German by nationality was not found.
    You must understand. that the spelling and pronunciation of German first and last names in Russian may differ. This is due to the fact that the clerk, who filled out the questionnaire in 1944, perceived the name and surname. And this also complicates the matter. One wrong letter and search can give a negative result.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Good afternoon Hanna


    I asked an officer from Police Academy of Moldova to look in the archives for a POW registration card for your grandfather.
    If the search is successful - you will receive a copy of the card.
    The search in the book is very long because it is more than 1000 sheets with a hundred names on each sheet.
    In addition, the book may contain only the name, date of captivity and the number of the transfer camp. In the card information will be more. Perhaps there is a photo. I'm not sure about that, but anything is possible.
    We are waiting for the result.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hanna, Hello!


    Here is the place where there was a branch of the camp for prisoners of war №144 (Voroshilovgrad). In your document, the city is indicated with an error - instead of Kajewka, you must write Kadjewka.
    Until 1937, the city was called Kadjewka. In 1937–1943 Sergo was named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze. In 1943-1978 wore the former name Kadjewka. In 1978, named for A. G. Stakhanov.
    Currently it is called Kadjewka.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hello, Hanna!


    Since your grandfather was released in 1947 and survived, his documents are stored in this section:


    ACCOUNTING CASES ON MILITARY AND FORECASTED FOREIGN CITIZENS DURING AND AFTER THE SECOND WORLD WAR IN THE CAMP OF THE NKVD-MVD USSR
    Accounting cases on ex-Western army liberated prisoners of war


    Fund 460p, 1919017 storage units, 1941 - 1969


    Some more interesting details on prisoners of war:
    Most of the prisoners were released in the early 50s. Exemption in 1947 was an exception to the rule.
    1. In March 1947, the repatriation of a contingent of prisoners of war with a total of 6,680 people from among those working in enterprises of the Ministry of Ferrous Metallurgy of the Stalin, Dnepropetrovsk and Voroshilovgrad regions began.
    2. In April 1947, the same contingent of repatriates added to 23,000 people from the western regions of the country who worked in the coal industry. The Council of Ministers of the USSR considered this question and adopted a resolution on it dated March 14, 1947 No. 1022-305ss. Prisoners from the Ukrainian, Estonian, Georgian Republics repatriated. Tula, Moscow and Novgorod regions. By the way, if the document contains the letters "SS", then this decree is classified as "top secret". Only those who worked very well were released.
    3. Based on Resolution No. 1571-414ss of the USSR Council of Ministers dated May 16, 1947 and Order No. 00535 of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 00535 dated May 20, 1947, sick and disabled prisoners of war of the former German army — the Germans held in camps of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, special hospitals, workers battalions of the Ministry of the Armed Forces of the USSR, including officers from lieutenant to captain, sick and disabled interned Germans from working battalions of ministries. This contingent numbered 113,000 people, of whom interned - 13,000 people.
    4. In the summer of 1947, the repatriation of Austrian prisoners of war remaining in the USSR (20,000 people), Romanians (36,000 people), Poles, Yugoslavs, Czechoslovakians and others, as well as participants (prisoners of war) of the anti-fascist activists continued. The last contingent numbered 1,500 people, and, as noted in Directive of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs No. 119 of June 13, 1947, the shipment was carried out on special personal lists.
    5. In September 1944, the decision was made to repatriate sick prisoners of war, the contents of which were unprofitable for the country's budget. The USSR Council of Ministers, in response to a request from the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, issued Order No. 3545-1167ss, in which it wrote: "The repatriation of the said German prisoners of war to be made in October 1947 in the amount of 25,000 people and from November 1947 to March 1948 15,000 people each month ... "
    6. The military command, the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs often went to meet the requests of German citizens, in which they asked to release their relatives from captivity. In October 1947, 70 such applications were received by the Office of Repatriation Affairs. These petitions were reviewed by the 3rd European Department of the USSR Foreign Ministry and supported. V.Molotov approved this proposal. All the German prisoners of war listed on the list were repatriated.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hello, Hanna!

    Zitat von Hanna Hartmann

    Hallo Igor, only one question, whom do you mean with "main character" ... von Knobelsdorff?

    No, the “main character” is not von Knobelsdorf.


    This is an officer who worked for the Office of Wolfram Sievers. This officer was looking for historical artifacts along the line Bessarabia - Crimea - Northern Caucasus. In 1944, when he was evacuated from Odessa, he was shot down on a light-engine aircraft, and accidentally came to von Knobelsdorf. For several reasons, this officer remained in the 6th German Army from April 1944 to the end of August 1944.
    Interestingly, he also met a girl - she was German colonist and saved him from death. Received permission to marry her, and in August, 44 was separated from her, and never met her again. WAR-WAR-LOVE-WAR E.t.c. :)


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hanna, good evening!


    If I understand you correctly, you want to receive a copy of the documents from the prisoner of war camp and information about your grandfather's second wife.
    Olga was an ethnic German?
    On Olga's question there can be difficulties - there is no complete information about her. Also interesting is the question - how she was released from the USSR? Under Stalin, it was a very difficult question to solve. It is likely that the decision on Olga was taken in the Ministry of State Security.
    By the way, I have a unique book in 2 volumes on German soldiers who died and captured in Bessarabia. The circulation of the book is about 200 copies or less. It was presented to me by my friend, one of the leaders of the Police Academy of Moldova. These are 2 volumes, about 500 pages each, the format is a bit less than A3.
    In the summer I will come to Chisinau and look in this book about your grandfather.


    Tomorrow I will talk with friends, and I will find out if any of them were engaged in similar issues.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hallo Hanna!


    Let's try to look for such documents. Tell us exactly what interests you - and I will find out what is necessary in order to get answers to your questions.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hallo Hanna!


    The events of August 1944 are interesting to me, and I gradually collect information from all possible sources to clarify the details of the fighting. So we find out what was there.
    I am writing a book about the war in Bessarabia in 1944. These are military adventures. And the main character in it is German. Therefore, the documents are very interesting to me and the order of events is also important. Everything should be interesting and documented as much as possible.


    Regards,


    Igor

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Hanna hello!


    I want to tell you the following. s.H.Pz.Jg.Abt.93 from the spring of 1944 was on the sector of 52 Army Corps as reserve, and was part of the "Seeadler" group. At the same time, the 52nd corps was part of the "von Knobelsdorf" group, named by the name of the general, who commanded until April 1944 40 panzer corps. The "Seeadler" group was deployed on the basis of the AOK.6 Assault Battalion. The assault battalion participated in almost all of the most difficult combat operations of the 6th German army in the spring of 1944. And all these operations were carried out on the Kishinev direction - on the sector of the "von Knobelsdorf" group. There were 2 serious military clashes on 10 ... 13 May 1944 - Operation DONNERSCHLAG (defeat of the 8th Guards Army of General Chuikov) and 14 ... 24 May 1944 - significant defeat of 5th shock Army of General Tsvetaev - part of Tsvetaev's army was surrounded and mostly destroyed . Both of these operations were carried out at the limit of the capabilities of the German 6th army, and in both operations the German forces were less than the Russians. That is why the Russian breakthrough to Chisinau in May, June and until the end of August became impossible.
    In German documents, the commander of the Assault Battalion, AOK.6, is characterized as a very worthy and brave commander. And the battalion itself is like a well-coordinated combat unit capable of performing the most difficult missions.
    On August 19, the "Seeadler" group was sent to the sector of a possible Russian breakthrough without s.H.Pz.Jg.Abt.93, but with s.H.Pz.Jg.Abt.661. Why this happened, I have not yet found out. On August 20, one battery of s.H.Pz.Jg.Abt.93 approached the Causeni, and took up defenses near the city on the expansion line of sectors 306 and 15 infantry divisions. Near and to the south there was a defensive 306 infantry division, the 13th division, and the "Seeadler" group a little further to the south-east. All these parts did everything to hold back the blow of a superior opponent for 2 days. However, alongside, in the area of the 21 Romanian division, the defense breakthrough was so deep, that the risk of being surrounded was maximized. Therefore, including the defenders did not see the point and could no longer hold the position. The departure has begun. Part of the defenders went west towards Leovo, part, including the AOK6 assault battalion - to the north-west. Why he was there is also a question. The XIV penal battalion of 999, which was in positions of 306 infantry division, was destroyed, and the 500 penal battalion, which also held defenses in sector of 306 infantry division, suffered losses (up to about 50% of the battalion’s personnel) but still fought with everyone and later its remnants turned out to be close to residues AOK6.
    Interesting, that the commander of the AOK6 and probably some of his soldiers were able to leave the encirclement. The commander of the AOK6 went through the whole war, had many high awards, and died in the 70s of the last century.
    Everything about what I wrote can be followed, including maps and battle schemes. I will show them.


    Regards,


    Synergy

  • Hans Tursky, Gefreiter

    Zitat von Wehrmachtlexikon

    Hello synergy,

    thank you the feedback. I'll see if it can find something for you. But you probably have to wait a good week because I will not get my data in the next few days. I will contact you again. Finally, a small note on how to deal with our forum and its rules. I would like to ask you to always write a salutation or a concluding salutation for upcoming contributions. In addition, we always work here with data attachments with an indication of the source, ie which book or which page etc.
    Many Thanks!


    greeting
    Michael

    Hello Michael,


    Thank you for your comment.
    I will try to follow the rules of the forum.
    Now for the sources of information. As you can see - some of the materials from NARA. Some of my collection. In particular, the map of the august 1944 breakthrough sector in Bessarabia. On the log of hostilities AOK.6 indicated source. Russian documents from the Russian Central Archive of the Ministry of Defense. I also collect aerial photographs of combat positions and battle places of AOK.6 for 1944 in Bessarabia.


    Best regards,


    Igor (synergy)